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Would you show women such a high regard that it would cause you to lose the Hereafter?
(as was pre-ordained) struggled with the power of female beauty
(regarding following Eve and eating that which was forbidden). So this
power is a heavy responsibility. It is not about showing high regard for
women. It is about the heavy responsibility and burden women themselves
have as a result of the power of female beauty and sexuality.
With that line of reasoning God created women in a state of condemnation!I have overcome the controlling aspect of women's beauty and still managed to trust men even less then women.
Which society do you live then? Because the contemporary west uses
the "controlling aspect of women's beauty" as a weapon, a distraction, a
temptation, a gateway to sin, and as a means to sell more and more and
gain more and more profit within the capitalist system.
Yes and it is mostly the men controlling the women,weither with influence or with money.
You sound pretty self-righteous Ted.
Yes - the men are controlling it. But women can't run anything. Have you ever seen a woman drive?
was a joke, but on a more serious matter - if we women want to start to
put an end to men using them for their bodies...then it is time to
start covering up and being modest (the topic if this discussion forum).
But beware of satan who will try and confuse the Children of Adam and
convince women that it is their body and they can do whatever they want
with it and they can't be equal with men if men are controlling how they
dress. Yet, when they are free to dress as they please...they certainly
don't dress like men, and this allows some men (a minority of elites)
to take advantage of this do exactly what I mentioned in the comment
above about female beauty and sexuality.
So you can't have your
cake and eat it too. Follow God and be free from worshiping the creation
and being enslaved to man's lusts and desires.
You're going to put it all on the women? None of the burden is to be
placed on the men to resist temptation? It has nothing to do with how
weak the men are? It seems that God has made all of us weak.I love
looking at women in summer, am I to be condemned for the way God made
me? Should I be punished for wanting to fulfill my biological purpose?
If God wanted women to 'cover up' why did he make them so beautiful?
In Islam, men have greater burdens and responsibilities as compared
to women. And yes, men have to be responsible. Men are ordered to "lower
their gaze" in Islam - so that should be a clear answer to your
But like when you have candy everywhere and you know it
is unhealthy...you do have a responsibility to avoid it (personal
responsibility), but you also have to restrain the candyshop owners from
constantly tempting everyone with this candy (collective
responsibility). Do it for the children and elderly if no one else!
all - men are weak (as you just stated). Humanity is made weak and that
is why God is so Merciful and Forgiving. But punishing those who do
evil and oppress and associate partners with God...that is also from the
Mercy of God. It is a Mercy for us and those who believe and do good
deeds and patiently endure!
What is your evidence and source that
this is your biological purpose? And do you really regard human beings
as being one and the same as animals?
Why is junk food and sweets
and so forth so bad for us health-wise when they taste so good? This
life is a test and so God tests us through various trials and hardships
and temptations and so forth - but also gives us knowledge of what is to
come later on after this life is over and everyone will have *eternal*
beauty and not something temporary which lasts only a short period of
time and then goes away. And people (sometimes women themselves,
sometimes men controlling those women) know that beauty has become a
commodity and can be used to commit the worst kinds of sins or put a
nice cover on a product or reality that is in actuality, very rotten and
Also, you know that this beauty you speak of is not
shared by everyone or to the same extent and does not last. Like in
economics, it is a very limited resource even though our desires for it
exceeds that. So why did God create us on this earth knowing that we
will have so many desires yet so few resources, and also be violent and
suffer and starve and oppress and have to deal with racism and the
mistreatment of our wives and the use of women as sex objects and so on
and so forth? The answer is free will and the answer is that this is a
temporary stop on the way to something much greater (something that will
actually last forever).
Look, no woman no matter how beautiful
she is is ever satisfied with how she looks. It is a never-ending
concern that only gets worse over-time. So this beauty you observe is
really only skin deep (and sometimes requires a lot of makeup and
plastic surgery and so forth). It is a test - just as strength,
knowledge, power/authority, wealth, and so forth are also tests! Give up
and sacrifice for the sake of your Lord (the One who created all this
beauty that you marvel at) and you will be recompensed with something
even better and more beautiful and more lasting and something will
belong to you without worry of losing it - in the Hereafter!
I am not a womanizer and I don't view women as 'sex objects'.My personal motto is 'be consumed with lust, don't consume the lust'
me it seems forcing a woman to wear a burka ( or even a hajib ) makes
them more subject to being a sex object as they would be the abject
personal property of the men who are married to them. . .
ask any western woman if she would rather be less beautiful or more
beautiful nearly all of them will opt for the latter. You see in western
society we don't steal a woman's only source of power.Their beauty!
What is my evidence for my biological purpose? Be fruitfuland multiply?! Yes? And yes, my flesh is on the same levelas other mammals.
My spirit on the other hand is much greater than my flesh and I do not confuse the two.
You should find it in yourself to resist temptation instead of blaming everything on the women.
Be careful with these images. They will be deleted if they reach a certain point of disgust.
I'm glad you don't do that, but the west in general certainly does.
>>>'be consumed with lust, don't consume the lust'>>>
more clothes is more modest, and wearing less clothes is less modest.
If you have this upside down, then I think you need to reflect on your
own beliefs. Remember, you (or her in the picture) can wave your flag
around as much as you want. Most of the citizens in these countries were
at least as some point (perhaps still claim to be) Christian and
Jewish. The early Christians and Jews as well as their female role
models within those religions were dressed to a greater extent than
western women are today. You've gone backwards! And the Bible also makes
similar distinctions to what we do regarding men and women. So stop
making Islam a scapegoat for your own secular culture that contradicts
your own majority religious beliefs.
>>>If you ask any
western woman if she would rather be less beautiful or more beautiful
nearly all of them will opt for the latter>>>
The same is true of Muslim women. That is a universal sentiment, not a uniquely western or non-Muslim one.
>>>in western society we don't steal a woman's only source of power. Their beauty!>>>
so you admit it then! And what is power, but that it corrupts? Thank
you for pointing this out as it helps make my point for me.
>>>Be fruitful and multiply>>>
rates are much higher in the Islamic world as compared to the west. In
the west, wealth and technology and higher levels of education and birth
control and free sex and feminism and so forth have all contributed to
lower birth rates.
>>>My spirit on the other hand is much greater than my flesh and I do not confuse the two>>>
We agree there, but flesh can corrupt the soul and that is the problem.
If one really believes in these words you wrote, then they have no need
to under-dress and show off - right?
>>>You should find it in yourself to resist temptation instead of blaming everything on the women>>>
Islam, we believe satan was the source of temptation and so it was
women who were tempted by satan and then used to tempt men. Higher
standards of moral conduct and dress code and gender roles and
interaction is for our protection and to close the doors as much as
possible against satan and his followers. We don't blame women like in
some other cultures.
It is you who has it backwards Ted. Adam and Eve were completelynaked until they ate from the tree of Good and Evil.You are still eating from that tree and your flesh is still corrupting your soul.
society has become less self-righteous from the time of theChristian
fundamentalists. Are you admitting you're a fundamentalist?
Ted: "Ah, so you admit it then! And what is power, but that it corrupts?"
Then you admit that only Men are allowed to have power in Islam, and women's rights is but an illusion to you?
Let me make it clear: You're still eating from that tree and still blaming it on the women.
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